tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post4748985501071680342..comments2024-03-26T12:05:58.591-04:00Comments on Freemasons For Dummies: Openly Gay Mason Suspended in KentuckyChristopher Hodapphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04201859873755654395noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-33356087071404634302011-04-16T18:03:13.360-04:002011-04-16T18:03:13.360-04:00Jonathan, thanks for the link. Cutting to the chas...Jonathan, thanks for the link. Cutting to the chase, here are the GL of Kentucky's definitions of Unmasonic Conduct:<br /><br /><b>UNMASONIC CONDUCT - A Mason is guilty of unmasonic conduct if he: </b><br /><br />(l) Violates the laws, customs, principles, or ancient usages of Masonry, or <br /><br />(2) Commits a crime involving moral turpitude <i>(*NOTE: Defined elsewhere in the constitution as "Conduct which is socially undesirable and is also base and depraved, as may be defined by the supreme court of the state of Kentucky.")</i><br /><br />(3) Threatens that the lodge shall not increase in membership, or that no more can- didates shall be elected; or by words of like purpose threaten the growth or prosperity of the lodge, and candidates are in fact rejected thereafter when he is present, he may be tried for unmasonic conduct, because of the threat.<br /><br />(4) Uses the Masonic Emblems, or the term “Masonic” in advertising any business by any individual or company.<br /><br />(5) Habitually takes the name of God in vain, or blasphemy.<br /><br />(6) Drunkenness is a Masonic offense, and the lodge should be rigid in their disci- pline on this subject.<br /><br />(7) Unlawful carnal intercourse with any female.<br /><br />(8) Violation of an oath lawfully taken is Masonic offense.<br /><br />(9) The abuse, battery or injury by a Mason of his wife is an offense against Masonry. For a Mason to desert wife or family is unmasonic conduct. A Mason is<br />bound to obey the moral law, and is under special obligations to observe and preserve the sanctity of the marital relation.<br /><br />(10) To honestly take the benefit of the bankrupt law is not a Masonic offense, but this does not relieve a bankrupt from the moral obligation to pay his debt, should he thereafter become able.<br /><br />(11) A lawsuit is not a Masonic offense.<br /><br />(12) Inability to pay debts is not a Masonic offense, but a debtor’s refusal to meet pecuniary obligations he is able to meet, being an infraction of the moral law, is a Masonic offense.<br /><br />(13) The statue of limitation does not relieve a debtor from the moral obligation to pay a debt if he be able to do so.<br /><br />(14) Polygamy is a crime against moral and Masonic laws.<br /><br />(15) Soliciting petitions for initiation into Masonry is a violation of Masonic law, is contrary to the accepted teaching of the fraternity, and unmasonic.<br /><br />(16) Disobedience of a Summons. A summons is the most forcible writ known to Masonry. So long as he is a member of the Fraternity, an Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft or Master Mason must obey this writ, whether he be a non-affiliate, a member of the lodge issuing the citation, or otherwise. Disobedience thereof would constitute one of the gravest of Masonic offenses, if it be shown the summons had been received, and is an act of insubordination, for which charges should be preferred.Christopher Hodapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201859873755654395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-15189606798703152352011-04-16T17:31:42.169-04:002011-04-16T17:31:42.169-04:00True, and I think it is fair to say that (Grand) L...True, and I think it is fair to say that (Grand) Lodge proceedings are not for public ears except when deemed appropriate by (Grand) Lodge. <br /><br />I did just locate their Constitutions which can be found at http://www.grandlodgeofkentucky.org/pdf/Constitution/Constitution_2010_web.pdf. Page 43 and on contains Trial Code & Discipline. Section (2)(K)(9) contains the line about spousal desertion. Will need some time to absorb the rest of it.Jonathan Sriberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12769675366115784751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-4820271436034907202011-04-16T17:16:46.940-04:002011-04-16T17:16:46.940-04:00I'm not from Kentucky, and I don't know th...I'm not from Kentucky, and I don't know their constitution. But there are grand lodges that prohibit making lodge or grand lodge communications public. These are not Masonic "secrets," <i>per se,</i> but they are considered to be private communications. That may have been the basis on which that specific charge was brought. Perhaps someone from Kentucky can be more enlightening.Christopher Hodapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201859873755654395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-23175478486073677412011-04-16T17:10:48.476-04:002011-04-16T17:10:48.476-04:00It's a pleasant change to see an online discus...It's a pleasant change to see an online discussion of this nature that does not immediately devolve into anonymous insults. <br /><br />I agree that the homosexual aspect of the charges was just unnecessary and used mostly to add kindle to the fire. There are a fair share of gay Masons within jurisdictions all over the country (and world, I imagine) and most are no more or less valuable than any other member of the Brotherhood. <br /><br />Coming from the GL of Massachusetts, I keep a copy of the Grand Constitutions handy and there is no mention of adultery, homosexuality, etc... The few Brethren that have been suspended/expelled have been on charges stemming from cheating or defrauding either fellow Masons or people outside of the Fraternity where a court of law has convicted them. It is possible that there are some other regulations or guidelines that I am unaware of, but nothing that has made headlines like Wor. Wright's situation.<br /><br />I would like to know what secrets were divulged, as this is the one charge that could have any merit, and not one that should lead to indefinite suspension without cause. Though most of the information can be found in any library or scattered around Google, it does not give him the right to go around sharing it with anyone that will listen.Jonathan Sriberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12769675366115784751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-31140264757283869832011-04-16T10:21:07.686-04:002011-04-16T10:21:07.686-04:00So is Kentucky GL suspending all Masons who divorc...So is Kentucky GL suspending all Masons who divorce after cheating on their wives?Pat The Icemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12469417626991087079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-53785132187884742952011-04-16T08:58:14.685-04:002011-04-16T08:58:14.685-04:00Looks as though the article did what its writer in...Looks as though the article did what its writer intended, cause division and disrupting the peace and harmony among Masons. <br /><br />Seems the only real issue was leaking masonic communications and that wasn't even covered in the article.<br /><br />As to what the writer stirred the pot with, the man broke his obligation with his wife, and that is something the GL of each state is going to have to contend with whether the Mason in question is straight or not isn't even remotely the issue.Caffeinated Masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02509628111141498338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-56520283731068179852011-04-16T06:09:31.826-04:002011-04-16T06:09:31.826-04:00As for the violation against God, I would ask whos...<i>As for the violation against God, I would ask whose God?</i><br /><br />Ask Arkansas, who just booted someone for being Wiccan.<br /><br />Evidently, only the Christian god is acceptable to them.<br /><br />Thank god I never applied in Arkansas, and I'll never visit there.<br /><br />But it's okay - GL sovereignty means no other US GL will suspend recognition of bigoted GLs, but they WILL suspend recognition of Minnesota, or DC, for using their sovereignty as they deem fit.MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904412888243979076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-68009317671220391832011-04-16T02:45:03.057-04:002011-04-16T02:45:03.057-04:00Well, the religious objection was found to be with...Well, the religious objection was found to be without merit. <br /><br />Many GLs have rules against abandoning your wife, adultery, etc. The homosexual aspect doesn't even have to be addressed. In addition, he was accused of leaking GL communications to the press, which is also a violation. By the letter of their law, he may have been guilty. <br /><br />Now, we can argue all day long whether a straight member who left his wife would be treated the same way. And it was my understanding that the split with his wife was amicable. I wonder if the trial commission accepted a statement from her?Christopher Hodapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201859873755654395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-46875695157279302332011-04-16T01:27:39.534-04:002011-04-16T01:27:39.534-04:00As for the violation against God, I would ask whos...As for the violation against God, I would ask whose God? We as Masons are taught to worship God as our conscious see fit. I believe that the stance that the Brothers who brought the charges presumes the Judeo-Christian God. It is not one Brother's responsibility to tell another which God to worship (as a matter of fact, I believe is it expressly said that this should NOT happen).<br /><br />As for the relationships between the separation and the finalization of the divorce, I would ask if similar level of scrutiny would occur if the Brother accused was heterosexual. I do not presume to make any accusation here, I am just raising a question for consideration. With the increase of the frequency of separations, even for many years at a time, perhaps it would be worthwhile for Grand Lodges to explore their stances on relations during these times to avoid future needs for interpretation.<br /><br />As for the exposure of Masonic secrets... these were not covered in the article, therefore I cannot comment on it.Geek Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05765349952967047417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-85022301017350576042011-04-16T01:27:28.214-04:002011-04-16T01:27:28.214-04:00Idiots. If it was my lodge, I'd walk out. You ...Idiots. If it was my lodge, I'd walk out. You know what? Until that guy gets reinstated, I'm a Gay Mason. GAY GAY GAY! I AM A GAY MASON!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-20439238271636574072011-04-16T00:42:00.576-04:002011-04-16T00:42:00.576-04:00Since when does Masonry follow only the religions ...Since when does Masonry follow only the religions that disallow homosexuality?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18363200363735374625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-83016210031013854612011-04-16T00:19:25.007-04:002011-04-16T00:19:25.007-04:00I was kind of expecting more comments on this one....I was kind of expecting more comments on this one.Dale Stubblefieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10820913093315796252noreply@blogger.com