tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post3752889145581103853..comments2024-03-26T12:05:58.591-04:00Comments on Freemasons For Dummies: UPDATED: GL of Georgia Votes For Prince Hall RecognitionChristopher Hodapphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04201859873755654395noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-51582143738683011982022-03-24T21:53:17.684-04:002022-03-24T21:53:17.684-04:00They went around the PHO grand Lodges because you ...They went around the PHO grand Lodges because you are clandestine and illegitimate and therefore not recognized. Stop introducing confusion "Bro. Ayers"Bro. Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-29780362259080839382021-11-12T17:32:14.875-05:002021-11-12T17:32:14.875-05:00This was long past due. I look forward to fellowsh...This was long past due. I look forward to fellowship with my Prince Hall brethren even it it is informally outside out respective Lodges. I hope that we can officially visit in the future. Freemasonry has everything to with the heart and nothing to do with the color of a man's skin.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10476426988614713316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-68796928051112794422021-11-06T04:49:33.150-04:002021-11-06T04:49:33.150-04:00The Most Worshipful Grand Lodge of Free and Accept...The Most Worshipful Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons of Florida does recognize the Most Worshipful Grand Union Lodge of Florida, Belize, Central America and Jurisdiction Prince Hall Affiliated, BUT at this time only the Grand Master and Grand Line of each jurisdiction are permitted to visit, a brother such as myself cannot yet visit a PHA lodge and vis-a-versa for a PHA brother.Rick From Jerseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09320190209629045159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-64675369793437435252021-10-30T15:38:54.755-04:002021-10-30T15:38:54.755-04:00You REALLY don't get it, do you?
I'm WELL...You REALLY don't get it, do you?<br /><br />I'm WELL aware that PHA often keeps that restriction in their recognition treaties.<br />I have ZERO problem with them doing that, it is, in fact, their prerogative.<br /><br />Your *characterization* of it, by using that phrasing How are you gonna keep them down on the farm once they've seen gay Paree?" is what I find to be filled with unconscious bias and paternalism.<br /><br />As for "dog whistles" and your hearing, I submit you hear what you want, given the number of strawmen I seen you erect over the years in your arguments.MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904412888243979076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-41251753690050041122021-10-29T15:01:26.343-04:002021-10-29T15:01:26.343-04:00MP,
See my response below to Terence.
I assure ...MP,<br /><br />See my response below to Terence. <br /><br />I assure you that I am not denigrating PH Masonry in any way. Nor am I being paternalistic. But the request for recognition they sent to the GL of Georgia insisted on no transfers or demits, and they are by no means the first to do so. <br /><br />I've had several PH grand secretaries over the years emphatically say that they will not ever permit a PH Mason to transfer to the state GL, or issue a demit to enable such a transfer. This, despite the clear evidence after 32 years of joint recognitions going on in the U.S. that there has NEVER been a stampede of PH members flocking over to the state GLs (or vice versa, for that matter). Yet this provision keeps turning up again and again.<br /><br />I never made the claim (or even alluded to it) that state GLs are more "sophisticated" than their PH counterparts. I suspect it's really about the fear of being dwarfed in size and scope, and the ever-present concern over being rendered obsolete. Take my home state, for an example, when we established joint recognition 23 years ago. At that time, our state GL had more than 100,000 Masons, while the PH grand lodge had "just under 2,000" (we were never told the exact figure, officially, but their grand secretary admitted to me that it was closer to 1,400). The state GLs have the giant old buildings, the retirement homes, the hundreds of lodges, the magazines, the very active appendent bodies and tons of Masonic-related peripheral organizations that PH Masonry generally can't support in most states. (Never mind that we can't support them anymore, either.) To a new candidate or young Mason, all of that can seem more impressive at first glance.<br /><br />Obviously, I can't crawl into the head of PH GMs and GSs in order to fully understand why they erect barriers to visitation (which doesn't happen when amity is approved in all other foreign jurisdictions), but they do, and many state GLs agree to abide by those restrictions, even though our members are perplexed and disappointed over it. My bringing it up may smell like "unconscious bias and paternalism" to you, but that's not the way grand lodges in amity normally do it.Christopher Hodapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201859873755654395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-53843866311864090502021-10-29T13:30:59.484-04:002021-10-29T13:30:59.484-04:00Terence wrote: "Prince Hall Masonry does not ...Terence wrote: <i>"Prince Hall Masonry does not fear its membership leaving for "greener" pastures.</i>"<br /><br />It's entirely possible that the Prince Hall GL in Georgia isn't concerned about it, since they reportedly have the largest Prince Hall membership in the country. However, note the emphatic "no demits or transfers" provision of the PHGL request letter.<br /><br />I can assure you that other jurisdictions have had precisely that concern (which has always turned out to be unnecessary and unfounded). In my own state, all visitation was abruptly cancelled by the PHGL when my lodge initiated three black men during my time in the East. The PH grand master was livid over it, and accused me of stealing "his candidates." <br /><br />"If you get a black man wanting to be a Mason, you don't take him, you send him to US!" he said. And with that, he suspended all visitation with our grand lodge for almost two years.<br /><br />All three of those men were well aware of Prince Hall Masonry, and all three of them expressed the opinion that they wanted nothing to do with it. Two of them had visited PH lodges before coming to us, and the third said his father had been a PH Mason. One of these men flat out called PH Masonry "separate-but-equal segregation," and said he had no interest in belonging to what he called "an all-black fraternity." I explained that to the PH grand master at the time, and it only angered him even more. So he shut down all visits with us until his successor lifted the ban.<br /><br />As for your other point concerning my use of WWI song lyrics being somehow vaguely racist in some way, has it really gotten to the point that referencing "down on the farm" is to be considered a racial slur? That must be one of those high-pitched dog whistles everyone is supposed to be responding to these days, I suppose. Silly me. Unfortunately, my hearing isn't acute enough anymore to hear that sort of tooting. So I will continue to use vocabulary and phrases that can be taken at face value.Christopher Hodapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201859873755654395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-70347259916028912612021-10-29T08:22:30.889-04:002021-10-29T08:22:30.889-04:00Terence - it's no less than what I've come...Terence - it's no less than what I've come to expect.<br /><br />The suggestion that mainstream GLs are more sophisticated (Gay Paree) than the PHA GLs (down on the farm) is denigratory and, one would hope, beyond the pale of acceptable discourse for Brothers. It reeks of unconscious bias and paternalism.MPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904412888243979076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-90452337217424965072021-10-28T09:39:56.499-04:002021-10-28T09:39:56.499-04:00I found that an odd choice as well. I found that an odd choice as well. Rich Pratt, PMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14994811021762549841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-22598772261665057892021-10-28T07:54:15.158-04:002021-10-28T07:54:15.158-04:00This map is decieving and inaccurate. All the Juri...This map is decieving and inaccurate. All the Jurisdictions with Recognition & Amity (with visitation) should be in Blue, Jurisdictions with Recognition Only & No Visitation should be in Yellow, and Jurisdictions with NO Recognition at all should be in Red.. Just a suggestion to be as accurate as possibleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-31996885654071293652021-10-28T00:57:01.838-04:002021-10-28T00:57:01.838-04:00It’s amazing how you take a self explanatory poste...It’s amazing how you take a self explanatory poster and interject your own hyperbolic nonsense. You’re the only one to make any of this about race, which is exactly what a racist would do. Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11040876327449443665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-75257019933203052172021-10-27T23:52:13.672-04:002021-10-27T23:52:13.672-04:00I get the author's intention to add levity and...I get the author's intention to add levity and humor, but please refrain from any references to Historically Black organizations, especially with the esteemed history of Prince Hall Masonry, as being "kept on the farm." Especially in light of this country's history of racism which is still being borne out in our States' Grand Lodges to this day. Prince Hall Masonry does not fear its membership leaving for "greener" pastures. Our Southern leaders are simply extending our hand in brotherly love to our AF&AM counterparts while preserving our right to exist separately. Terencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08792665744006369631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-42756485156439284082021-10-27T21:17:54.534-04:002021-10-27T21:17:54.534-04:00Excellent question!
Perhaps it's more politic...Excellent question!<br /><br />Perhaps it's more political than anything?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-73294021272108156342021-10-27T21:12:47.443-04:002021-10-27T21:12:47.443-04:00There is no universal masonic family from the angl... There is no universal masonic family from the anglophone masonic perspective. IMO<br /><br /> It's extraordinary to have more than one Grand Lodge in a territory or country. American freemasonry is effected and founded on race and commercial control. IMO<br /><br />It is what it is huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-14201166556617611962021-10-27T19:32:02.885-04:002021-10-27T19:32:02.885-04:00Those who paved the way who are no longer with us ...Those who paved the way who are no longer with us are smiling!(Bros. Joe Walkes and Nelson King)Ralph459https://www.blogger.com/profile/06622198023355715417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-45793031718351296782021-10-27T19:00:21.770-04:002021-10-27T19:00:21.770-04:00This is interesting , I would like to know, how di...This is interesting , I would like to know, how did the Grand Lodge of Ga recognition investigation Committee come to the conclusion that the MWPHGL of Georgia had lineage to African Lodge 459, and omitt the body that charted their founding lodges? All 3 subordinate lodges that came together to form MWPHGL of Ga were founded and Chartered under The National Compact aka PHO. So how is it that the Grand Lodge of Georgia went around the Regular Legitimate Grand Lodges (PHO) in Georgia that birthed MWPHGL of Ga, and now proclaim them to be Regular and Legitimate but ignore the Body that gave birth to them.. This is yet another example of Biased illegitimate hypocritical Bull Pucky. Bro Ayersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-80098620273064570082021-10-27T18:44:05.563-04:002021-10-27T18:44:05.563-04:00This is a step in the right direction. I hope some...This is a step in the right direction. I hope someday they can have visitations and spread the brotherly love between their jurisdictions.Mark Menardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-24274292578458276502021-10-27T17:49:37.766-04:002021-10-27T17:49:37.766-04:00If each GL recognizes the other as Regular then ho...If each GL recognizes the other as Regular then how can a prohibition of Right of Visitation be enforced by either GL? Is this a prohibitation of entry by a GL to visiting Brothers or a prohibition of a GL to its Members seeking visitation elsware? or Is this not a violation of the Landmarks?<br /><br />Mackey’s Fourteenth Landmark reads as follows:<br /><br />“The right of every Masons to visit and sit in every regular Lodge is an unquestionable Landmark of the Order. This is called the ‘right of visitation.’ This right of visitation has always been recognized as an inherent right, which inures to every Masons as he travels through the world. And this is because Lodges are just considered as only divisions for convenience of the universal Masonic Family. This right may, of course, be impaired or forfeited on special occasions by various circumstances; but when admission is refused to a Mason in good standing, who knocks at the door of a lodge as a visitor, it is to be expected that some good and sufficient reason shall be furnished for this violation, of what is in general a Masonic Right, founded on the Landmarks of the Order.”<br /><br />Jed Holley, Ariz.Jedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15941594192405217528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-55957455021263529662021-10-27T16:45:44.884-04:002021-10-27T16:45:44.884-04:00Thank you for the update. Thank you for the update. Bro. Kent Graveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01879308430205716274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-13238439756042258972021-10-27T14:56:01.837-04:002021-10-27T14:56:01.837-04:00They can't visit and balloting remains unchang...They can't visit and balloting remains unchanged.James R. Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15995584838277886275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-39863998307769737092021-10-27T07:34:47.941-04:002021-10-27T07:34:47.941-04:00I just added the updated map this morning.I just added the updated map this morning.Christopher Hodapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201859873755654395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-41681652843868543452021-10-27T03:50:12.375-04:002021-10-27T03:50:12.375-04:00Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina &...Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina & West Virginia.Bill Achbach, Westminster, COhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12577523506961332468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-24621909620094654732021-10-26T18:39:19.875-04:002021-10-26T18:39:19.875-04:00Which are the five GLs that still do not recognize...Which are the five GLs that still do not recognize Prince Hall GLs?Questionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-52895699094052270342021-10-26T18:22:56.176-04:002021-10-26T18:22:56.176-04:00Beautiful! Beautiful! Bro. Kent Graveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01879308430205716274noreply@blogger.com