tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post2634805561554041960..comments2024-03-19T00:43:35.769-04:00Comments on Freemasons For Dummies: Arkansas Yanks Recognition of the ShrineChristopher Hodapphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04201859873755654395noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-85859288506932730502012-05-29T15:17:43.522-04:002012-05-29T15:17:43.522-04:00Any definitive word on whether the Shrine in Arkan...Any definitive word on whether the Shrine in Arkansas has started making non-masons into Nobles?<br /><br />I have correspondents who say it has already started happening.<br /><br />I'm skeptical.<br /><br />Does anyone have definite word?<br /><br />S&F,<br /><br />Br. G. BrooksGeorgeOfTampahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11748462279356837403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-91177833916407909192012-05-29T15:16:36.231-04:002012-05-29T15:16:36.231-04:00Any definitive news whether the Shrine in Arkansas...Any definitive news whether the Shrine in Arkansas is making non-Masons into Nobles yet?<br /><br />Some of my correspondents say "It is already happening".... I am skeptical.<br /><br />Please advise!<br /><br />S&F,<br /><br />Br. G. B.GeorgeOfTampahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11748462279356837403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-65274876552444341492012-02-17T11:36:19.050-05:002012-02-17T11:36:19.050-05:00As a Masonic Past Master, 33 degree Scottish Mason...As a Masonic Past Master, 33 degree Scottish Mason, York Rite and Shriner, it is very upsetting to see this happening in our Fraternity. I do not participate in Shrine social activities due to the excessive drinking and partying that goes on but work diligently to support the Hospitals. I have said for the past several years that the Shrine will separate from Masonry. It won't be long before you will be able to be a Shriner without being a mason. It will start out as letting men join as a social member without voting rights. Then finally full membership. They will do this under the guise of needing members to support the Hospitals, which is a valid point. A majority of Masons are not Shriners. And I would say a majority of Shriners are Masons just to be in the Shrine. There are numerous members of our Lodge who never attend Blue Lodge meetings but never miss a Shrine function. If this separation happens Masonry will lose a few members but not one Mason. Old Hickory Tennessee MasonTennessee masonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14284326998586205433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-63707970462586974402012-01-28T23:37:41.392-05:002012-01-28T23:37:41.392-05:00In my opinion it is about time that the various Gr...In my opinion it is about time that the various Grand Lodges deal with The Shrine and their transgressions If an organization predicates membership on being A Master Mason in good standing then that is exactly what it means.an expelled mason is not a member in good standing and therefore can not hold membership in any of these groups, and that includes the shrine as well.David Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00637989609534818255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-23857836304925694362012-01-16T17:16:27.575-05:002012-01-16T17:16:27.575-05:00Sad, this blustering. Truly sad.Sad, this blustering. Truly sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-77453254251500425852012-01-04T23:26:02.442-05:002012-01-04T23:26:02.442-05:00If the GM master can exspell a mason just because ...If the GM master can exspell a mason just because he wants to then why are there any Masonic laws? I know the situation and it is a joke. The GM is doing as he wants. The trail for this mason in question was a joke. No members from this jurisdiction was even allowed in the trail and the GM himself wasn't even there. If that is not act of unmasonic action what is. Membership is declining nation wide in both the shrine and blue lodges and the old hands wonder why. What reason does any young man have to become a mason when the GM who is supposed to be in charge of the whole deal does as he please's with out regards to rather or not his action are for the good of masonry. It's terrible what this has come to what's worse is it's just a show of power. No regards to anything else.chridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00410752287534865404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-39714435124423780092012-01-02T19:08:52.122-05:002012-01-02T19:08:52.122-05:00after the debacle in GL West Virginia concerning P...after the debacle in GL West Virginia concerning PGM Frank Haas, I would be surprised that any Grand Master would make reference to expulsion without trial of any Master Mason. Just SMH<br /><br />W Br. Raymond Sean Walters<br />Silver Lodge 35 F&AM PHA<br />Pinewood, South CarolinaRaymond Sean Waltershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09598843764013005691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-12241308195545794352012-01-01T15:42:21.245-05:002012-01-01T15:42:21.245-05:00Sometimes I think the Shrine has an
ego problem. I...Sometimes I think the Shrine has an<br />ego problem. I was told just a few years ago that it was the intention of the Shrine to have every Grand Masters be a member of the Shrine.As far as the Grand Master of Ark. expelling a Mason without Masonic trial that isn't Masonry neither.mountainmasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05536661490687985996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-16823853314820491762012-01-01T15:17:27.729-05:002012-01-01T15:17:27.729-05:00The fundamental issue I see is that the Shrine is ...The fundamental issue I see is that the Shrine is basically trying to define who is qualified to be a Mason. With all due respect that is the province of the Grand Lodge.EFAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15194213128952837481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-43568580534084272052011-12-31T07:06:32.440-05:002011-12-31T07:06:32.440-05:00No matter how either of these sordid issues shake ...No matter how either of these sordid issues shake out, there will be no winners this time. We (Masonry) have taken a giant leap backwards.wizzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050569497841077832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-137877845653333722011-12-31T02:32:36.102-05:002011-12-31T02:32:36.102-05:00As an outsider looking in, I have never understood...As an outsider looking in, I have never understood the relationship between the Shrine and Freemasonry. The Shrine was founded in 1870. a full 50 years before the Children's Hospitals were established.<br /><br />My understanding, from what I have read, is that the Shrine was originally established to provide Masons with a venue for partying and merriment, something that was unavailable in the local Masonic lodge at the time. It was to be "the playground of Masonry".<br /><br />I have nothing against the Shrine, or the charities that it supports, but I have never seen any reason for it to have a connection to Freemasonry. As it was created long before prohibition became the law of the land, I can only surmise that the decorum required at Masonic meetings did not provide an outlet for those that wished to "have fun," therefore the Shrine was created.<br /><br />There are, or have been, many fraternal groups that would have filled that need. <br /><br />It is unfortunate that the Shrine was tied to Masonry from the start; perhaps it is time to sever the organizations, since their reason for existing is so unrelated.<br /><br />One is about "making good men better," through a "system of morality, veiled by symbols," the other was conceived as a group to party with, long before there were any charitable aspirations.<br /><br />As a foot note, apparently that did not satisfy some, since the Royal Order of Jesters grew out the Shrine in 1911, forty years after the Shrines foundation.<br /><br />With all due respect, what does any of this have to do with Freemasonry?San Diego Freemasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12138769022498075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-51361898778198388212011-12-29T19:42:39.263-05:002011-12-29T19:42:39.263-05:00I wonder if Iowa will be next.
What do these org...I wonder if Iowa will be next. <br />What do these organizations gain from being associated? Perhaps it's time for the Shrine to be its own entity unrelated to Free Masonry. <br /><br />-MikeJane's Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609609275656769927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-26754231981459544892011-12-29T19:42:30.107-05:002011-12-29T19:42:30.107-05:00Interesting. If he is still a member of an Iowa L...Interesting. If he is still a member of an Iowa Lodge he would still be eligible to be in the Shrine.jaycoles@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299489611656202052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-56182336237759439222011-12-29T19:32:12.338-05:002011-12-29T19:32:12.338-05:00My understanding is that the Brother in question i...My understanding is that the Brother in question is a member of an Iowa lodge and is living in Arkansas. Iowa did not suspend him, Arkansas did.Christopher Hodapphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201859873755654395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-55060802497573596572011-12-29T18:19:46.191-05:002011-12-29T18:19:46.191-05:00I STILL would like to know why the letter was post...I STILL would like to know why the letter was posted to Iowa. Was the member also a member of an Iowa Lodge?jaycoles@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16299489611656202052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-48155198872073796722011-12-29T17:29:18.921-05:002011-12-29T17:29:18.921-05:00The Shriner in question in Arkansas is purportedly...The Shriner in question in Arkansas is purportedly also a member in an Iowa lodge.<br /><br />The Grand Master of your jurisdiction is in fact all powerful. If you are a Master Mason you take an obligation to that effect as your constitutions or rules outline his powers and rights. This is not a true democracy and either you missed it when you came in or someone lied to you.<br /><br />The Grand Lodge of your jurisdiction is the absolute authority. The Imperial Shrine insists on calling the Shriners a Masonic organization therefore the Grand Master is responsible for dealing with whatever happens within the bounds of the Grand Lodge and his sovereign rule, with the backing of the Grand Lodge and Masonic Law, supersedes any subordinate body like the Shrine. <br /><br />The Grand Master in my state gave an edict that those members who had be convicted of a felonious act could be summarily removed. Its cut and dry. Masons shouldn't be convicted felons while they're Masons. It looks incredibly hypocritical if the Grand Master didn't take action. <br /><br />The Grand Masters in both Michigan and Arkansas seem to be well within their rights and are executing due diligence in defending their jurisdiction and the good name of Masonry across the land.cfcurtiss86https://www.blogger.com/profile/14358835329911323361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-45974939088380075982011-12-29T16:57:58.932-05:002011-12-29T16:57:58.932-05:00I would like to know what the unmasonic activity w...I would like to know what the unmasonic activity was. Arkansas has in the past expelled members for engaging in legal and state licensed professions. If this is similar then I think the Shrine is right to not expel the Noble.JEDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12880559028532749866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-8106495349736578432011-12-29T16:45:34.104-05:002011-12-29T16:45:34.104-05:00I find all of this in-fighting disgusting. I am ...I find all of this in-fighting disgusting. I am a Mason & member of the Scottish Rite. I'm *not* a Shriner so I will not make comment there.<br /><br />I think the worst is the comment about NO trial. What is up with that?Shabad Gyan Singhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02050184168799036969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-37437462512878377312011-12-29T13:10:53.067-05:002011-12-29T13:10:53.067-05:00I'm up here in Mi., it's nice to see that ...I'm up here in Mi., it's nice to see that Shriners International is trying to throw its weight aroundRONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04361031915027370244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-1984445126165123772011-12-29T12:50:08.928-05:002011-12-29T12:50:08.928-05:00I realize Grand Masters have pretty much carte bla...I realize Grand Masters have pretty much carte blanche in their respective Grand Jurisdictions; but can a Grand Master just expel a Brother Mason without the benefit of a Masonic Trial?KMHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05161247607461636737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-48384065813550871152011-12-29T12:28:33.448-05:002011-12-29T12:28:33.448-05:00Well, it seems the Bible - Belt has struck again. ...Well, it seems the Bible - Belt has struck again. Here we are still staying in the 19th Century in some forms while still trying to bring in younger men.Arthur B. Egglerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09839605748825908436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-37684005860031130312011-12-29T12:28:10.339-05:002011-12-29T12:28:10.339-05:00Do not have much to go on, but it sounds similar t...Do not have much to go on, but it sounds similar to the issue with Michigan that Imperial is attempting to trump Grand Lodges. I do not know about the part with the GM offering no trial, but it goes to show the length that Grand Lodges are willing to go to ensure that Imperial will respect their decisions. My regards to the brethren of Arkansas.Warbardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08237425786865970019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-55060081277907382902011-12-29T12:03:44.785-05:002011-12-29T12:03:44.785-05:00Why was the letter also sent to the GL of Iowa?Why was the letter also sent to the GL of Iowa?Jane's Daddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609609275656769927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-81522220494259764052011-12-29T10:57:02.349-05:002011-12-29T10:57:02.349-05:00Where can one find information on which Grand Lodg...Where can one find information on which Grand Lodges recognized Prince Hall Masonry? Thanks Brethren!joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11445900353379265963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25683662.post-63781711260681821702011-12-29T09:51:49.812-05:002011-12-29T09:51:49.812-05:00@ Scott, it's "Prince" vice "Pr...@ Scott, it's "Prince" vice "Price" Hall and what's that to do with the issue.<br /><br />Many Shriners have been wanting to drop MM requirement, now's a good time then Freemasonry can shed itself of many less than honorable masons.<br /><br />Apologies to True Blue Masons who are also Shriners.<br /><br />Bolin of GeorgiaJoeb212https://www.blogger.com/profile/08680031992426110730noreply@blogger.com